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OpenSim 0.7.2 coming to a stick near you soon!

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i was very excited to see Diva Canto’s new Diva Distro this morning! =) and that means a new version of sim-on-a-stick is coming soon, probably this week

if you are even more eager than i am, you can use her nifty built-in update feature to update your current version of sim-on-a-stick – here’s a post on how to run it and here’s a post on the default settings on the 0.7.1 build. as with anytime you update OpenSim, you should make OAR backups of your sims and maybe even an inventory IAR backup

0.7.2 sees many significant changes and should run smoother and faster than 0.7.1 and in addition to the changes laid in by the OpenSim developers, Diva has updated her handy wifi admin panel and also added something so new that i have no clue what it is!

Diva has “created a world-to-world social network platform in OpenSim!” which sounds like a great addition and is something you should read about on her blog post here

look for a new sim-on-a-stick build soon and keep up with Diva’s work by following her on twitter!

thanks Diva! =)

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written by Ener Hax

October 17th, 2011 at 8:03 am

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  1. From Diva’s post I can’t quite work out if the new social network function is conceptually like Diaspora, or *is* Diaspora.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_%28software%29

    Anyone know?

    Breen Whitman

    17 Oct 11 at 1:23 pm

  2. Is there a difference between the sim download on simonastick and the D2 distro github?

    joe

    17 Oct 11 at 1:52 pm

  3. beats me too on the social network aspect as well?

    hi joe, the sim-on-a-stick is built with the D2 Distro but also has MoWeS on it so that the stick runs as a “mini server” – Apache, MySQL, and PHP. additionally, one version of the stick also has Imprudence 1.32 viewer on it so that it is a complete self-contained package – this way you can use it on any PC without installing anything

    Ener Hax

    17 Oct 11 at 2:07 pm

  4. I’ll grab a copy as soon as its available. Maybe I’ll turn my attention back to trying to adapt the WebUI to use with AuroraSim. If I do, I’ll pass you a package to add, Ener.

    Sarge Misfit

    17 Oct 11 at 6:28 pm

  5. Upgraded mine yesterday within minutes of the tweet. Works flawlessly. Been eagerly awaiting this one!

    Will still grab a copy of the SoaS 0.7.2 when it’s here, just to have a clean copy on hand “just in case”. :)

    CiderJack

    17 Oct 11 at 8:10 pm

  6. [...] OpenSim 0.7.2 coming to a stick near you soon! at i live in science … 0.7.2 sees many significant changes and should run smoother and faster than 0.7.1 and in addition to the changes laid in by the OpenSim developers, Diva has updated her handy wifi admin panel and also added something … Source: iliveisl.com [...]

  7. Hi

    FINALLY back online after a too long hiatus and cross country move, and once again all giddy about diving into Open Sim. I did install it successfully awhile ago on my laptop but now I’m considering something bigger…and have a quick question.

    I host my sites with Hostgator, business acct and more space, and was wondering if it’s possible – not as in “okay with the” but as in doable at all, to set up the DD there on that acct, and if so, if I wanted to add new regions to the mini grid, is that doable, or would I need to run another instance of DD and make a second mini grid? Ultimately, I’d like to host mini grids for a few friends but don’t want it served off my computer. I’d rather a remote host do that because their security is more advanced than what I can do or know to do.

    If it’s doable but not the best way to go, what would you suggest?

    Thanks!

    Virtual Clover

    18 Oct 11 at 5:20 am

  8. cool CiderJack! i am psyched too and stayed up till 2 AM last night prepping (maily making a new image for the SoaS site). i created the zips already and should be live tonite =)

    great question Clover and we may have the same Hostgator dealio. ours is like $14 a month for unlimited domains and disk space, blah, blah, blah but i don’t know if OpenSim would work because i think you’d need root access to the server. our Hostgator thing is a virtual server (which is how Reaction Grid does their OpenSim)

    you have SQL databases on Hostgator but I think you also need the .Net 3.5 framework (or Mono) and i don’t know if you have that, if so, then it should be possible

    that would be a question for someone like Tranquility who probably could answer this in a sentence or two (let’s see if he sees this comment) =)

    now another possible solution is getting your own server, but that would only be feasible if you want to move your Hostgator stuff and reduce monthly expenses. we pay $160 for a great server and you could go with less depending on your needs (like $110 for 4 cores and 4 gig RAM at http://www.limestonenetworks.com/)

    Ener Hax

    18 Oct 11 at 9:25 am

  9. Sarge Misfit’s method to get aurora on a stick also works with the http://opensimulator.org/ OpenSim 7.2 download, no changes were needed with the bat file. I did this a week ago to compare mesh uploaded to second life. Because of issues with SketchUp exported collada files, I spent a couple hours exporting files in various formats, tried several converter programs and ended up with the following workflow. I exported to obj then used MeshLab to export to collada. In Second Life the mesh has no textures, but in OpenSim the textures are present. In SL for a lag factor, I waited for a hour.

    joe

    18 Oct 11 at 11:53 am

  10. most excellent! i need to give that a shot – i really want to run Aurora and OpenSim head-to-head and see performance benchmarks – it sounds like Aurora takes less CPU and less RAM

    thanks for the 0.7.2 update (and how do you do that so quickly? dang i feel dumb!) =D

    Ener Hax

    18 Oct 11 at 12:20 pm

  11. How do you do that so quickly? I got tired of waiting for a response or a mesh enabled version.

    Paraphrasing and adapting what I found at http://iliveisl.com/aurorasim-on-a-stick-unitys-anti-piracy-dealio/

    I took a chance that there’s little difference between the Open Simulator and D2 Distro varients, so most of the changes needed for Aurora aren’t needed, just swap (the binaries) and play.

    In the SOAS main directory open the Diva subfolder. Delete the contents. Open the OpenSim binary file and the first directory that should be the same name of the file. Copy the contents and paste in the SOAS Diva folder.

    The first time you run the bat you have to enter the conf settings. For mesh, just open a mesh viewer.

    My download manager, shows the SOAS, could have been from http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/sim-on-a-stick/. Which used the DIY with Roger SOAS varient with diva-r13981.

    joe

    18 Oct 11 at 1:05 pm

  12. Thanks Ener!

    I remember someone suggesting a vps and considered giving that a try but haven’t had a chance to look into it. Please update if you find out more.

    I’m still a noob at this, so hey. I visit the limestone link – what would you suggest if I went that route to be able to host, with signups and uploads, etc. full mini grid set ups for a dozen friends, more or less, with the ability to grow if it catches on. Or regular regions if a mini grid 4 is too much.

    Mostly I’m looking for the best approach for my goals going in so I don’t waste money I don’t have, lose money I can’t afford to lose, but also don’t bite off more than I can chew.

    Also – would I run one single instance of the DD per all users, with the same login page info, or would I need to add one per user? Not sure how that works.

    Thanks again for replying!

    Virtual Clover

    18 Oct 11 at 2:56 pm

  13. PS What is aurora and why is it important for me to learn what it is? ;-p

    Virtual Clover

    18 Oct 11 at 2:58 pm

  14. Oh, one more – I forgot to ask…

    I do have a nice 2009 HP desktop that I rarely use anymore because I love my laptop, it’s always run SL really fast but it’s also directly connected to the modem and not set for wireless.

    Would it be a good/bad/awesome/horrendous idea to clean it off down to required programs and install DD on it, and use that as a full time server for DDs and even the hosting? I guess, if I’m understanding it correctly, opening it up from my machine to outsiders means the same as giving them access to my machine. Not sure how I like that…but if it’s just to the DD and they can’t actually access the machine, that’s okay…in theory.

    Feedback?

    Virtual Clover

    18 Oct 11 at 3:03 pm

  15. so a rule of thumb is one cpu core + one gig RAM = one sim

    i have 16 sims running on 4 cores and 8 gig of RAM but i treat it like 4 full sims as far as total number of prims and scripts – it could probably run more and that depends on the types of prims (cubes take less RAM than a hollow and cut torus for example)

    for 12 people, the Limestone Networks low price deal wold probably work if you treated it like two full sims (so you could have something like 8 homesteads or so

    now, if i were you, i think i’d try that home machine out as a server! that way it does not cost you anything. now a broadband connection might limit your friends to maybe 2 to 4 at any one time

    if you have the tech savvy, try that out and maybe use the OSGrid pre-compiled OpenSim i mentioned last week

    Aurora sim? that’s an offshoot of OpenSim but heavily refactored and supposedly more efficient – ask Sarge about it, it’s what he uses and he loves it – http://excelsior-station.wikidot.com/

    Ener Hax

    18 Oct 11 at 3:18 pm

  16. Virtual, AuroraSim is a variant of OpenSim (is fork the proper term?). I’ve been running it on my stand-alone for over 6 months now and have also been writing about getting my stand-alone online and open to the public. I’ve done a very small bit of ad hoc testing versus OpenSim as well as posting about some of the differences, such as applying terrain RAW files, etc. Check http://excelsior-station.wikidot.com/ I’ve written some pieces about setting it up and all.

    Two features that make AuroraSim different from OpenSim is Variable Regions and Infinite Regions. Variable Regions replace the megaregion work-around. Excelsior Station is a single region that is 1,024m x 1,024m. In OpenSim that would be a 16region mega. Infinite Regions allows you to travel through the usual no-man’s land between unconnected regions. That is, if I have a region at 1000,1000 and another at 2000,2000, and both have Infinite Regions enabled, then I can fly between them without teleporting, even though there are no regions in between. There are other differences, such as the script engine and physics and how the coding is put together.

    Ener, I very much want to see what sort of results you get when you test AuroraSim vs OpenSim. You system is superior to my current one and you seem to have better testing skills and software than I do, so you’ll likely get more definitive results than I can.

    Sarge Misfit

    18 Oct 11 at 3:29 pm

  17. Thanks so much! Yall are my favorite people, really.

    Sarge, thanks for the explanation – a little more technical than my baseline knowledge but it’ll give me something to research to be able to go *ahh, yes, I see, got it* ;-p

    I think I know where my niche is…I’m going to write the Dumbass Guide To DIY Virtual Worlds…for the non techie folks ;-p

    Virtual Clover

    18 Oct 11 at 3:35 pm

  18. Re desktop – This is a link (if that’s permitted) to the full specs, and if you would have a look and feed back on whether it’s worth pursuing to set up the DD on it exclusively that would be greatly appreciated. It would be stripped down and all the stuff put on an external drive since most of it’s already on the laptop. I am heavily into an SL alternative, being an SL junkie, so yeah I’m totally willing to dedicate the desktop exclusively to running my own VWs.

    My main concern is the ability to have outsider people access it. Up front it’s people I know and trust, but I do not currently have the tech background to know if it’s secure from others, or how to secure it, or if it’s an issue…even if strangers access it or if they can.

    Thanks again for the feedback. You guys are so helpful. It is greatly appreciated.

    http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=c01859871

    Virtual Clover

    18 Oct 11 at 3:45 pm

  19. Don’t hit me for the triple post thing, it just comes to me about 8 minutes after I hit the submit button, but hey…up side, makes this thread look way active! ;-p (I know, and apologies again).

    One more question and I’ll go get coffee and read the news for awhile.

    Ultimately, my goal is to pacify my region mood swings. Had I tried this in SL, it’d cost thousands but I have many moods that each require a region to indulge it…halloween, building, shopping, mysteries, games, home…so that’s what 6 grand off the top in SL not including tier.

    I am looking to develop something that is a blend of Viradu’s scifi land and VIE, where the ones interested in developing all manner of content would be provided a minigrid of their own for whatever, while my minigrid (or more haha) would be to develop a static virtual social place with activities, shopping and etc. Once I establish a good core team of content creators, and build it up, ultimately I would like to push it toward general hosting services, minigrid hosting because 4 is always better than 1. ;-p

    Excluding the general hosting option, the desktop, a VPS with hostgator, a regular biz acct with Hostgator, the dedicated server (and if this, which one)…or other…which of these would best support my immediate and long term goals even on a learning curve, but that won’t break me in 30 days ;-p

    Thanks!

    Virtual Clover

    18 Oct 11 at 3:55 pm

  20. no worries on multiple posts! as long as you are not being a d0uch3 to anyone =)

    good luck on the Dumb@$$ Guide, you have at least one customer ready to read that one! i’ve been trying to cover some of that but this gets complicated real fast. i’d love to get my region on OSGrid open and just need to carve out some time for that (sooner than later i hope)

    gee, nice HP!!! that should work very well as a server – 4 cores and 8 gig is what i run and it does not skip a beat (in over a year i’ve only had one region lockup and that’s because of my mad skillz scripter!) =)

    security to your virtual world will be controlled by your accounts as one strategy (that means your friends need a dedicated account to your world – no hypergridding). however, i understand that HG now is more granular in control and allows for whitelisting and blacklisting of outside accounts. if so, then you’d only allow specific accounts to reach you

    as to other security, pheww, that’s way over my head

    another option would be to hire someone to dial in and install OpenSim for you. i have looked at that and have been quoted about $400 to $500 which is not bad when you consider what they are setting up, including appropriate protection

    BUT . . . i would first start building your vision (which sounds cool, i want to build a Blade Runner/post-apocalyptic sim and have made small models of it – http://www.flickr.com/photos/iliveisl/sets/72157608103652364/detail/

    no need to pay for hosting until you are nearly complete and a home setup would allow a few people to be working at the same time, which i think you’ll find workable =)

    i’ve spent a year (part-time) building Enclave Harbour and while it’s nice being on a real server, it was not necessary and would have saved subQuark a few thousand dollars

    Ener Hax

    19 Oct 11 at 8:28 am

  21. Virtual, I am doing something similar to what Ener describes. That is, I am building Excelsior Station first. I believe this is the best way to go, for 2 reasons.

    First, the learning curve. As you mentioned, there is a certain level of knowledge a person needs, and which I try to assume people don’t have. Not totally successful there, but then again, anyone who is looking to set up their own stand-alone or grid is likely to already know some of the basics, such as what an .ini file is. And I’m really not all that knowledgeable, either. I’ve never been able to setup MySQL properly, though I do have experience managing databases. And I know nothing of setting up a server, such as Apache, or setting up ROBUST. Frankly, if it weren’t for Ener’s SoaS I would likely be a year behind where I am now. So, building first helps a person to learn those things they need to know.

    The second reason is simply cost. I don’t think its a good idea to be spending your time, and money, running a public setup while doing the build. There’s also the cost to your future reputation. “Its so unfinished” “Its always under construction” are not the sort of comments you want made.

    So, take your time, get things to where YOU want them. Then go for it. :D

    Sarge Misfit

    19 Oct 11 at 12:42 pm

  22. Very helpful advice and that’s definitely the way I was looking to go starting out. My main concern is finding all the elements. I can build fine but the textures and scripting is where I’m going to be stonewalled unless I can find good stuff. If I can go into SL and dl my textures and copy my scripts, that would be ideal…

    Thanks so much for the feedback. I’m launching my Virtual Clover site again after a relocation so starting fresh. I’d love to be a regular here, am anyway, but for more conversation. I’m a virtual world addict, it’s my crack…but the amount of $$$$ I’ve shelled out in SL breaks my heart. Freebie is the way to go, or at least a good hosting option when it’s launch ready.

    Thanks again!

    Virtual Clover

    19 Oct 11 at 8:23 pm

  23. sheesh, i’m so sorry Clover on your comment getting caught in spam but it looks like you got a second one through

    Ener Hax

    19 Oct 11 at 8:45 pm

  24. Virtual, when it comes to content, I’ve been slowly building a list of free content providers. HyperGrid Business is also a good place for a list of providers, and is much more comprehensive than what I have. Check the OpenSim main site for more, too.

    Sarge Misfit

    19 Oct 11 at 9:11 pm

  25. @Virtual “I’m a virtual world addict, it’s my crack…but the amount of $$$$ I’ve shelled out in SL breaks my heart.”

    Others know what its like to know what you feel.

    If you are feeling a bit raw, this one may cause a tear or two:
    http://zonjacapalini.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/the-openspace-fiasco-six-months-later/

    After reading that, read this blog from beginning to end. It contains nearly every practical resource from being involved and active in Opensim.

    Breen Whitman

    20 Oct 11 at 12:25 am

  26. ” There’s also the cost to your future reputation. “Its so unfinished” “Its always under construction” are not the sort of comments you want made.”

    that is 100% correct! no one cares about anyone’s vision, they want to be engaged in your work which means doing a lot more than most people typically do. because the next big issue is that others will be critical of your work and expect it to meet their expectations. talk is cheap and a good build is typically far more work, much of it mundane, than the majority of people think

    excellent advice Sarge – something most people could sue in their own work – both virtual and real!

    Ener Hax

    20 Oct 11 at 7:47 am

  27. the openspace debacle is what eventually killed my 19 sim estate inSL. the first month that i was in the black (profitable) inSL regarding the estate business was the month Jack Linden announced the opensim pricing change. like an idiot, i believed him when he said this would start in January and had converted all but one openspace into homesteads and full sims. then a week after i had done that, he announced that they would extend that date

    i lost many clients that loved the openspaces which i only allowed 3 residential parcels and i held 1000 prims as “public prims”. my openspaces ran lovely and no one complained of lag

    LL had made it clear that these were for light use and that no support was offered. i thought they’d keep their word and let the free market reward estate owners that did not over tax their openspaces

    Ener Hax

    20 Oct 11 at 7:59 am

  28. As a former resident of one of Ener’s openspace sims, I can attest to their awesomeness.

    Micheil Merlin

    20 Oct 11 at 6:28 pm

  29. thanks Micheil, it was a lovely estate and 99% of he residents were a very cool group of people that got along very well

    i truly miss it and do blame LL’s decision on affecting our home and that of many, many others

    i imagined doing SL for a very long tie and reaching 52 sims as “phase I” and another 52 later – the tier center was designed for that first phase and man, i spent so many hours setting that up, sheesh

    oh well, it was all worth it because i got to meet wonderful people like you. who would have ever known that you’d be an OpenSim contributor!?! pretty neat turn of events! =)

    Ener Hax

    20 Oct 11 at 8:50 pm

  30. @Ener “oh well, it was all worth it because i got to meet wonderful people like you. who would have ever known that you’d be an OpenSim contributor!?!”

    What a heartening statement. And that might be the crux of things right there.

    Our time in SL was like a conception. But all the growing and wonderful experiences are happening now in Opensim, and lots more yet to happen.

    To some degree, I thing some of the positives you had in your SL sims are manifesting in this blog.

    From the quiet engineering by the core developers to the vibrancy of communities like this blog, it is indeed exciting times.

    Breen Whitman

    21 Oct 11 at 1:08 am

  31. great perspective – “conception” – and i certainly give credit to LL for exploding onto the scene!

    Ener Hax

    21 Oct 11 at 7:23 am

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