Kitely gets the jump on offering megaregions commercially (Advanced Megaregions as of august ’12) and thus an influence on how regions are named. they use Cartesian numbering which is utilitarian and it makes sense to echo that with Sim-on-a-Stick (you can always change the names of the Sim-on-a-Stick regions by changing them in the region config file)
a “standard” nomenclature or numbering makes sense and there are two schemas at OpenSim.org for it (hmm, they also write it as both “megaregion” and “mega-region”) =\
moving forward, is there is a better way to term megaregions? maybe two by, three by, and four by region?
many languages have the three distinctions of “village”, “town”, and “city” but there is no standard because unlike units of 256 metres square, those have many factors to consider (i like the term metropolis for really big areas)
there’s already a distinction between sim and region (or a confusion) so what might be a good way to refer to:
- a single region
- 2×2 megaregion
- 3×3 megaregion
- 4×4 megaregion
- even larger megaregions
maybe that terminology is fine, but it’s a mouthful and pseudo-techie sounding for mainstream use, imo. Enclave Harbour will be 16 regions for the foreseeable future but referring to it as a 16 region megaregion virtual world kind of sounds pretentious (subQuark simply refers to it as a 250 acre online world)
i would imagine that SimHost and other OpenSim hosting companies will offer megaregion hosting once OpenSim 0.7.5 is released. running all of your regions on one console does mean that if it crashes, then your entire grid is down. while running one megaregion OpenSim console does mean a longer start up and shut down time, it also uses less RAM which means higher user concurrency
megaregions have been redefining how many in the community view virtual worlds and communicating that in an approachable manner helps OpenSim to be seen as a nice “technology” for certain uses (and not as a wacky world of sexual depravity as sometimes SL is seen) =p
okay, off that soapbox . . . having SoaS numbering equate to Kitely’s helps in the short term because the process of developing on SoaS with the intent of using megaregions won’t be seamless until 0.7.5
using OpenSim 0.7.4 means individual region terrain downloads in addition to the one megaregion OAR. after 0.7.5 comes out, that issue will be gone and numbering won’t matter as much
starting today, the Sim-on-a-Stick installer downloads are numbered as seen below
1 Pod (APod?)
2×2 Bipod
3×3 Tripod
4×4 Quad
Larger Magnum
not semantically accurate maybe but related, hmm, and snappy …
champagne bottle names alone are a total mouthful but I like that the number of glasses per + close to regions:
http://www.examiner.com/article/champagne-bottle-sizes-and-names
))
Moongold Munro
30 Oct 12 at 9:57 am
hmm, i like that direction Moongold – Quad sounds great
i do like Rehoboam and Nebuchadnezzar!!! the champagne names are awesome! =)
kind of classes it all up! =D
Ener Hax
30 Oct 12 at 10:13 am
Maria once used SRE for Standard Region Equivalent and I’ve gone with that as it can be used with AuroraSim, too. Enclave Harbour is a 16SRE mega-region. Excelsior Station is a 16SRE var-region.
Sarge Misfit
30 Oct 12 at 10:46 am
I think a good name needs to be intuitively understandable by people who don’t know its meaning yet. A “quad” is ambiguous, does it mean 2×2, 4×4, 1×4? You wouldn’t know just by hearing the name. Stating “2×2″ uses a convention that is taught to children at a young age (multiplication), which gives most readers an understanding of the meaning even without having previously encountered that syntax for describing a virtual world’s size.
Ilan Tochner
30 Oct 12 at 10:48 am
When talking to people who know OpenSim or Second Life, I use terms like “four-region megaregion” or “sixteen-region megaregion.”
I use the term Standard Region Equivalent only when doing monthly region counts, for the data wonks.
For non-OpenSim/SL people, I prefer acres. One region is 16 acres, or about 16 football fields.
A 16-region megaregion is 256 acres. It’s just a little smaller than the Bronx Zoo, which is 265 acres.
Each side of a 16-region megaregion is four regions — or 1,024 meters — so that also makes it one square kilometer, for the non-US world.
Maria Korolov
30 Oct 12 at 11:52 am
okay, so maybe the champagne bottle nomenclature is a bit over the top
to echo your sentiment Maria, acreage and square kilometres are terms used in the real world by the mainstream
hard to be much more “real world” analogous than to use real world measures!
and . . . perhaps talking about our endeavors should be in normal terms, like Sarge’s Excelsior Station – just the name connotes a certain size, the exacts are only important to fellow nerds. our Enclave Harbour connotes some type of “place”, maybe a town or municipality
i do like SREs a lot though but i’m also old school with my beginnings being in SL
Ener Hax
30 Oct 12 at 12:20 pm
I propose an “Excel Like” naming.
Eg Lower left is a. So a1,a2, a3, b1, b2, b3 etc
In later years this would scale, and we would hit aaa1 – zzz65000 etc
So a region some where in the middle might be mmm32500
Poutine cafe at SoaS gfw18465
Yes, that’d work.
Breen Whitman
30 Oct 12 at 1:37 pm
Breen wins the Nomenclature Award! (note: there was no influence regarding the poutine reference) =p
that’s a good argument – the spreadsheet one and meaningful to many people
Ener Hax
30 Oct 12 at 1:48 pm
Yeah, no, all that numbering is entirely meaningless to me, i would never know the difference between an a5 or a zzz65000!
gfw18465 translates as – guffer foreign beer – in my head… I might still get there though, the trial and error and getting lost is part of the discovery process i enjoy but I realise it doesn’t translate to a common orderliness and you guys rock when it comes to getting things done..
(ot – I spent ages organising my Aperture Library by date 30_10_2012 but the dates meant nothing and I could never find the picture I wanted, so I re-organised them by names for the walks (landscape photographer) – misty_walk_dry or rocks_dog_mud etc etc)
Plus, the convention of calling a 4×4 a ‘Quad’ is already in everybodies heads, sorry about that llan! My work here is done…
btw kitely rocks, just been jumping around all over and everything works pretty dashed seamlessly – oar uploaded from SoS too, ta so much ener and llan. x
Moongold Munro
30 Oct 12 at 5:13 pm
Well, custom naming would be the best
In the meantime, though, treat them like addresses.
“Poutine Cafe, SoaS 3.2, 702-788-24″
Name, Region, coordinates
Sarge Misfit
30 Oct 12 at 6:57 pm
Are all these numbering conventions necessary if I’m not wanting to create a “mega region”? I’m currently running a single region using SoaS, and would like to add 3 more regions, but I need the existing region to be the Southeast corner. I’ve yet to even understand if I can add these regions via the RegionConfig.ini or if there is more to it, but I’m just a beginner at all of this. (It took me weeks just to discover the fact that regions are positioned on the grid in ascending order coordinates left to right, bottom to top… lol)
At present this is all a moot point as I’m not sure my OAR is being properly saved either. lol :p Anyway; just curious if I can ignore these conventions in the case of standard regions versus mega regions.
Wishing you a happy virtual life! :)
Kiko Kenichi
31 Oct 12 at 5:17 pm
hi Kiko, yes you are correct, you can add additional regions in the region config file and they can be named almost anything
you can copy subsequent regions below and rename the regions as you please (the name in the square brackets)
when you add regions, the OpenSim console will ask if you want those new regions to join an existing estate, you’ll hit Enter to accept the default and be all set =)
just uncomment (remove the ;) from the additional regions below:
; * Regions configuration file
; * This is Your World
[simonastick 1]
RegionUUID = “ae823f8a-edcc-4351-b797-0e1072b312a8″
Location = “2339,1446″
InternalAddress = “0.0.0.0″
InternalPort = 9100
AllowAlternatePorts = False
ExternalHostName = “127.0.0.1″
; [simonastick 2]
; RegionUUID = “5dd11f3b-dd7e-454e-a9d7-1e299f36d188″
; Location = “2339,1447″
; InternalAddress = “0.0.0.0″
; InternalPort = 9101
; AllowAlternatePorts = False
; ExternalHostName = “127.0.0.1″
; [simonastick 3]
; RegionUUID = “5be70738-116b-4099-86d9-610dcfcee684″
; Location = “2340,1446″
; InternalAddress = “0.0.0.0″
; InternalPort = 9102
; AllowAlternatePorts = False
; ExternalHostName = “127.0.0.1″
; [simonastick 4]
; RegionUUID = “53a46cfe-b096-4a4e-a560-353cf66c3c0d”
; Location = “2340,1447″
; InternalAddress = “0.0.0.0″
; InternalPort = 9103
; AllowAlternatePorts = False
; ExternalHostName = “127.0.0.1″
Ener Hax
31 Oct 12 at 9:39 pm
Thank you Ener. ^.^ I’m looking forward to adding the other regions. I’ll probably wait until I can find an external drive of some kind though. I have my current installation on the HD, but every time I save the OAR it’s only around 7Mb… which seems awfully small. I just want to be certain it’s backed up before I start messing with code. lol :)
Thanks again for your reply. It helps a lot!
Wishing you a happy virtual life! :)
Kiko Kenichi
1 Nov 12 at 12:08 pm
very good idea Kiko! doing regular backups and testing some of those is very important. OpenSim is not even in beta yet and the SoaS configuration adds a layer of other issues
if you can, look for an SSD hard drive. i have 120 GB internal one that cost me $89 with some coupons
i have been very happy with the 32 GB Corsair Survivor which is $36 USD on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Flash-Survivor-Drive-CMFSV3-16GB/dp/B005MHN6K2
UBB3.0 makes a difference for bigger builds like yours
Ener Hax
2 Nov 12 at 8:53 am
Thank you so much again. (I could ask 100 more questions but I’ve already gone off topic on your post here. heehee)
Wishing you a happy virtual life! :)
Kiko Kenichi
2 Nov 12 at 2:20 pm
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